Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards The Flat Earth Society Posts Home Help Login Register Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards The Flat Earth Society Flat Earth Discussion Boards Flat Earth Debate Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « previous next » Print Pages: [1] 2 3 Go Down Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards 66 Replies 21186 Views ? justaguy 129 Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « on: January 20, 2017, 01:57:12 PM » So why hasn't there ever been any proof of the firmament? What about all of those people guarding the ice wall in Antarctica? Surely these things must be true, so how come nobody has ever seen it? I thought FEers only believed in things that they can see, but they believe in that? Logged JackBlack 18438 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #1 on: January 20, 2017, 03:04:59 PM » Not quite.They reject anything that disagrees with what they see, but are fine beleiving completely nonsense which backs up what they see.So they see Earth is flat and thus reject anything, even reality itself, if it disagrees with that.However they are happy to accept penguin guards to back up their delusions. Logged Son of Orospu Jura's b*tch and proud of it!Planar Moderator 37834 I have artificial intelligence Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #2 on: January 21, 2017, 07:22:54 AM » So, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now? Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future. Thanks! Logged Gaia_Redonda 652 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #3 on: January 21, 2017, 08:27:27 AM » Quote from: jroa on January 21, 2017, 07:22:54 AMSo, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now? Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future. Thanks!No, but if you make the claim that Antarctica is inaccessible, for your credibility it would help to show evidence that such a huge continent is guarded 24/7/365.It's expensive, but from Ushuaia you can book a vessel that goes to Antarctica. Why not crowdfund such an operation and prove your point? Logged I much prefer the sharpest criticism of a single intelligent man to the thoughtless approval of the masses - Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) JackBlack 18438 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #4 on: January 21, 2017, 01:06:39 PM » Quote from: jroa on January 21, 2017, 07:22:54 AMSo, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now? Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future. Thanks!Yes. It is.Absence of evidence does count as evidence of absence, with varying strength depending on the evidence that should be expected vs the evidence that is present.There are even logical proofs of this.And this is hardly the strangest thing which is technically evidence.Plenty of people have been to Antarctica, or Antarctic waters, and found no evidence of this massive army/navy guarding it.This constitutes evidence of absence. Logged ? justaguy 129 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #5 on: January 23, 2017, 10:57:32 AM » Quote from: jroa on January 21, 2017, 07:22:54 AMSo, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now? Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future. Thanks!I am assuming you are replying to me. How come whenever a question is asked to a FEer, the reply always attacking the question/asker, instead of answering the question? It's a simple question, if the ice wall is guarded, where are the guards? Are they invisible? Wild claims are made by flat-earthers, and get angry when asked to back them up? Why so defensive. This forum is Flat Earth Debate. Logged ? Canadabear 2525 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #6 on: January 23, 2017, 11:09:06 AM » Quote from: jroa on January 21, 2017, 07:22:54 AMSo, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now? Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future. Thanks!there are evidence that there is no guards patrolling the Antarctica: see all the expeditions to the Antarctica and the southpole, no one got stopped. Logged Just in for the lolz 70 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #7 on: January 23, 2017, 11:43:24 AM » Quote from: jroa on January 21, 2017, 07:22:54 AMSo, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now? Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future. Thanks!Oh this is hilarious. You can quote logical fallacies all you want to make yourself look like a charlatan, but unfortunately, the burden of proof IS ON YOU. Your the one who MADE THE CLAIM, so you must PROVE IT"You cannot disprove 'x' therefore 'x' is true" is literally one of the dumbest logical fallacies people use these days...won't you agree?Anyway, since you obviously cannot do any of the thinking, allow me to do it for you. Since the flat earth and globe earth longitudinal lines are the same, the North Pole to middle of Antarctica to the tip of the South America is about 8730 miles. That's the radius from the center of the flat plate to the middle of Antarctica and the tip of South America. Meaning....C=2pi*RC=2pi*8730C=54852.2 miles. Even if we placed a ship to guard the ice wall every 5 miles, that's still about 10,970 ships to guard the ice wall. Not to mention, of the 10,970 ships, all of them require supplies, material, need some degree of repair, etc...Now...hmmm...I WONDER why NO ONE has ever seen this giant armada of ships DESPITE the fact that all you have to do is travel a couple thousand miles if you have a Cessna. I mean, you people have the same technology for travel as anyone else, so why don't you GO OUT AND SEE! But more than that, I would LOVE to see A SINGLE SHREAD OF EVIDENCE for any of those ships, the facilities that has the ability to manufacture them, the people who manage them, etc.... Logged ? Lonegranger 4083 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #8 on: January 23, 2017, 02:06:11 PM » Quote from: jroa on January 21, 2017, 07:22:54 AMSo, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now? Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future. Thanks!show us some pictures rather than whinging.We want to see the following.1) Pictures of the guards guarding the ice wall.2) Pictures of the guards snacking on genetically modified penguins as claimed by the Zetetic master himself John Davis3) Pictures of the land beyond the ice wall which you say is green and lush.4) Pictures of John Davis astride the ice wall. Logged ? justaguy 129 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #9 on: January 23, 2017, 02:18:03 PM » Quote from: Lonegranger on January 23, 2017, 02:06:11 PMQuote from: jroa on January 21, 2017, 07:22:54 AMSo, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now? Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future. Thanks!show us some pictures rather than whinging.We want to see the following.1) Pictures of the guards guarding the ice wall.2) Pictures of the guards snacking on genetically modified penguins as claimed by the Zetetic master himself John Davis3) Pictures of the land beyond the ice wall which you say is green and lush.4) Pictures of John Davis astride the ice wall.That is what they do, attack the questions, and give no answers. There is your proof!! Logged Paul 26 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #10 on: June 29, 2017, 08:47:04 PM » Proof found! « Last Edit: June 29, 2017, 10:11:00 PM by Paul » Logged napoleon 905 The Earth is not round, nor flat. It is a Donut... Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #11 on: June 29, 2017, 11:23:40 PM » Quote from: Paul on June 29, 2017, 08:47:04 PMProof found!That photo must be fake!! one of the FE conspiracy's. if you look closely, they are standing on a wooden floor.No way they have been building a wooden floor all the way around the Ice wall!!this photo is taken somewhere inside!! Logged Never argue with an idiot...First they will drag you down to their own level,and then they beat you by experience... ? Hans Christian Underscore 59 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #12 on: June 29, 2017, 11:31:54 PM » You Round Earthers can only spill lies! You want me to show you ships that guard the Ice Wall?BTW, the horizon is nicely flat! Logged napoleon 905 The Earth is not round, nor flat. It is a Donut... Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #13 on: June 29, 2017, 11:38:32 PM » Quote from: Hans Christian Underscore on June 29, 2017, 11:31:54 PMYou Round Earthers can only spill lies! You want me to show you ships that guard the Ice Wall?BTW, the horizon is nicely flat!Bullshit, this one is taken in yo mama's own bathtub, you can still see the bathtub painted in blue in the background. That is why it looks flat. Logged Never argue with an idiot...First they will drag you down to their own level,and then they beat you by experience... ? Alpha2Omega 4049 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #14 on: June 30, 2017, 09:54:11 AM » Quote from: Hans Christian Underscore on June 29, 2017, 11:31:54 PMImage of ships.BTW, the horizon is nicely flat!No, it's not. It's about what you'd expect to see on a large sphere. Logged "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan ? Hans Christian Underscore 59 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #15 on: June 30, 2017, 02:27:11 PM » Oh only Round Earther may insist on his "truth" showing CGIs. Do you want me to fix barrel distortion of this image in PS? Logged JackSchitt 423 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #16 on: June 30, 2017, 02:35:55 PM » There is no evidence because it was the penguins. No one suspected the Spanish Inquisition, so no one expects the penguins.They can lurk in their 'natural habitat' listening and waiting for someone who needs to be removed, why else do you think people have disappeared in Antarctica. Logged "Religion is the opium of the people" Karl Marx“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt” JackBlack 18438 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #17 on: June 30, 2017, 03:01:58 PM » Quote from: Hans Christian Underscore on June 30, 2017, 02:27:11 PMOh only Round Earther may insist on his "truth" showing CGIs. Do you want me to fix barrel distortion of this image in PS?Did you take the picture yourself or know the exact details of the camera/lens and cropping? If not, you can't. Logged ? MouseWalker 859 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #18 on: June 30, 2017, 06:48:56 PM » Quote from: JackSchitt on June 30, 2017, 02:35:55 PMThere is no evidence because it was the penguins. No one suspected the Spanish Inquisition, so no one expects the penguins.They can lurk in their 'natural habitat' listening and waiting for someone who needs to be removed, why else do you think people have disappeared in Antarctica.Can you enumerate the people are missing, and the circumstances of their missing? Or is that just a rumor? PS: Antarctica is Real! That requires a globe Earth. Logged The the universe has no obligation to makes sense to you.The earth is a globe. JackBlack 18438 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #19 on: June 30, 2017, 06:56:52 PM » Quote from: MouseWalker on June 30, 2017, 06:48:56 PMQuote from: JackSchitt on June 30, 2017, 02:35:55 PMThere is no evidence because it was the penguins. No one suspected the Spanish Inquisition, so no one expects the penguins.They can lurk in their 'natural habitat' listening and waiting for someone who needs to be removed, why else do you think people have disappeared in Antarctica.Can you enumerate the people are missing, and the circumstances of their missing? Or is that just a rumor? PS: Antarctica is Real! That requires a globe Earth.There are a few, for example, Jarle Andhøy was having an expedition to the south pole in a horribly unprepared way.After he and one crew member went ashore to go the pole on quad bikes (which the ship wasn't fit to carry) the ship was lost with the three crew members that were on it. Logged ? MouseWalker 859 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #20 on: June 30, 2017, 07:23:45 PM » Quote from: JackBlack on June 30, 2017, 06:56:52 PMQuote from: MouseWalker on June 30, 2017, 06:48:56 PMQuote from: JackSchitt on June 30, 2017, 02:35:55 PMThere is no evidence because it was the penguins. No one suspected the Spanish Inquisition, so no one expects the penguins.They can lurk in their 'natural habitat' listening and waiting for someone who needs to be removed, why else do you think people have disappeared in Antarctica.Can you enumerate the people are missing, and the circumstances of their missing? Or is that just a rumor? PS: Antarctica is Real! That requires a globe Earth.There are a few, for example, Jarle Andhøy was having an expedition to the south pole in a horribly unprepared way.After he and one crew member went ashore to go the pole on quad bikes (which the ship wasn't fit to carry) the ship was lost with the three crew members that were on it.LOL; and the date of your rescue off the ice pack, need something that can be verified, or even the name of the ship and list of crew members lost? Let us not derail the OP. Logged The the universe has no obligation to makes sense to you.The earth is a globe. JackBlack 18438 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #21 on: June 30, 2017, 07:31:31 PM » Quote from: MouseWalker on June 30, 2017, 07:23:45 PMQuote from: JackBlack on June 30, 2017, 06:56:52 PMQuote from: MouseWalker on June 30, 2017, 06:48:56 PMQuote from: JackSchitt on June 30, 2017, 02:35:55 PMThere is no evidence because it was the penguins. No one suspected the Spanish Inquisition, so no one expects the penguins.They can lurk in their 'natural habitat' listening and waiting for someone who needs to be removed, why else do you think people have disappeared in Antarctica.Can you enumerate the people are missing, and the circumstances of their missing? Or is that just a rumor? PS: Antarctica is Real! That requires a globe Earth.There are a few, for example, Jarle Andhøy was having an expedition to the south pole in a horribly unprepared way.After he and one crew member went ashore to go the pole on quad bikes (which the ship wasn't fit to carry) the ship was lost with the three crew members that were on it.LOL; and the date of your rescue off the ice pack, need something that can be verified, or even the name of the ship and list of crew members lost? Let us not derail the OP.http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4709377/Three-die-in-Viking-yacht-off-Antarctica Logged ? MouseWalker 859 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #22 on: June 30, 2017, 07:54:37 PM » Quote from: JackBlack on June 30, 2017, 07:31:31 PMQuote from: MouseWalker on June 30, 2017, 07:23:45 PMQuote from: JackBlack on June 30, 2017, 06:56:52 PMQuote from: MouseWalker on June 30, 2017, 06:48:56 PMQuote from: JackSchitt on June 30, 2017, 02:35:55 PMThere is no evidence because it was the penguins. No one suspected the Spanish Inquisition, so no one expects the penguins.They can lurk in their 'natural habitat' listening and waiting for someone who needs to be removed, why else do you think people have disappeared in Antarctica.Can you enumerate the people are missing, and the circumstances of their missing? Or is that just a rumor? PS: Antarctica is Real! That requires a globe Earth.There are a few, for example, Jarle Andhøy was having an expedition to the south pole in a horribly unprepared way.After he and one crew member went ashore to go the pole on quad bikes (which the ship wasn't fit to carry) the ship was lost with the three crew members that were on it.LOL; and the date of your rescue off the ice pack, need something that can be verified, or even the name of the ship and list of crew members lost? Let us not derail the OP.http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4709377/Three-die-in-Viking-yacht-off-AntarcticaMy apologies, as I first thought it was in just; where as the reality, is devastating to those who were involved. Enough said, no further comment is needed along this line. Logged The the universe has no obligation to makes sense to you.The earth is a globe. ? Apokalypt 153 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #23 on: July 01, 2017, 03:38:04 AM » I already went to the edge and took some photos as proof. Unfortunately, I got caught by the "Agency for the Round Earth Conspiracy". They almost killed me and took all the evidence that I had. So you have to take my word for it. I might try to sue them, but I am sure all the judges and the government etc. are part of them too... Logged Tessa Yuri 621 The shortest distance between two points is a lie. Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #24 on: July 01, 2017, 04:06:09 AM » Quote from: Apokalypt on July 01, 2017, 03:38:04 AMI already went to the edge and took some photos as proof. Unfortunately, I got caught by the "Agency for the Round Earth Conspiracy". They almost killed me and took all the evidence that I had. So you have to take my word for it. I might try to sue them, but I am sure all the judges and the government etc. are part of them too...Bit risky carrying around the photos on your person - and not even making copies! Logged Tessa believes in the scientific method.Yuri believes the Earth is a flat disk. _________ _________ _________.<`X######I---I| |I[][][][][][][][]I| |I[][][][][][][][]I|-=o--o====o--o=-=o-o====o-o=-=o-o====o-o= JackSchitt 423 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #25 on: July 01, 2017, 08:30:13 AM » Quote from: Tessa Yuri on July 01, 2017, 04:06:09 AMQuote from: Apokalypt on July 01, 2017, 03:38:04 AMI already went to the edge and took some photos as proof. Unfortunately, I got caught by the "Agency for the Round Earth Conspiracy". They almost killed me and took all the evidence that I had. So you have to take my word for it. I might try to sue them, but I am sure all the judges and the government etc. are part of them too...Bit risky carrying around the photos on your person - and not even making copies!I'm sure he wasn't that risky, by the sounds of it they made him delete it all at gun point Logged "Religion is the opium of the people" Karl Marx“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt” ? Alpha2Omega 4049 Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards « Reply #26 on: July 01, 2017, 03:26:23 PM » Quote from: Hans Christian Underscore on June 30, 2017, 02:27:11 PMOh only Round Earther may insist on his "truth" showing CGIs. Do you want me to fix barrel distortion of this image in PS?You were the one that commented that the horizon in the image was flat. I merely showed that it was subtly curved, as would be expected for such a large sphere.You apparently now agree, after being shown, that the horizon in the image is curved. Feel free to verify this for yourself if you want.Before you can correct barrel distortion, you need to know how much (if any) barrel distortion there is. This depends on the characteristics of the entire imaging system. Do you have sufficient information for that particular phot… truncated (2,226 more characters in archive)