Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards

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Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« on: January 20, 2017, 01:57:12 PM »
So why hasn't there ever been any proof of the firmament?  What about all of those people guarding the ice wall in Antarctica?  Surely these things must be true, so how come nobody has ever seen it?  I thought FEers only believed in things that they can see, but they believe in that?

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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2017, 03:04:59 PM »
Not quite.
They reject anything that disagrees with what they see, but are fine beleiving completely nonsense which backs up what they see.

So they see Earth is flat and thus reject anything, even reality itself, if it disagrees with that.
However they are happy to accept penguin guards to back up their delusions.

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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2017, 07:22:54 AM »
So, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now?  Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future.  Thanks!

Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2017, 08:27:27 AM »
So, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now?  Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future.  Thanks!
No, but if you make the claim that Antarctica is inaccessible, for your credibility it would help to show evidence that such a huge continent is guarded 24/7/365.

It's expensive, but from Ushuaia you can book a vessel that goes to Antarctica. Why not crowdfund such an operation and prove your point?
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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2017, 01:06:39 PM »
So, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now?  Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future.  Thanks!
Yes. It is.
Absence of evidence does count as evidence of absence, with varying strength depending on the evidence that should be expected vs the evidence that is present.

There are even logical proofs of this.

And this is hardly the strangest thing which is technically evidence.

Plenty of people have been to Antarctica, or Antarctic waters, and found no evidence of this massive army/navy guarding it.
This constitutes evidence of absence.

Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2017, 10:57:32 AM »
So, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now?  Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future.  Thanks!
I am assuming you are replying to me.  How come whenever a question is asked to a FEer, the reply always attacking the question/asker, instead of answering the question?  It's a simple question, if the ice wall is guarded, where are the guards?  Are they invisible?  Wild claims are made by flat-earthers, and get angry when asked to back them up?  Why so defensive.  This forum is Flat Earth Debate. 

Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2017, 11:09:06 AM »
So, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now?  Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future.  Thanks!

there are evidence that there is no guards patrolling the Antarctica: see all the expeditions to the Antarctica and the southpole, no one got stopped.


Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2017, 11:43:24 AM »
So, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now?  Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future.  Thanks!

Oh this is hilarious.

You can quote logical fallacies all you want to make yourself look like a charlatan, but unfortunately, the burden of proof IS ON YOU. Your the one who MADE THE CLAIM, so you must PROVE IT

"You cannot disprove 'x' therefore 'x' is true" is literally one of the dumbest logical fallacies people use these days...won't you agree?

Anyway, since you obviously cannot do any of the thinking, allow me to do it for you.

Since the flat earth and globe earth longitudinal lines are the same, the North Pole to middle of Antarctica to the tip of the South America is about 8730 miles.

That's the radius from the center of the flat plate to the middle of Antarctica and the tip of South America. Meaning....

C=2pi*R
C=2pi*8730
C=54852.2 miles.

Even if we placed a ship to guard the ice wall every 5 miles, that's still about 10,970 ships to guard the ice wall. Not to mention, of the 10,970 ships, all of them require supplies, material, need some degree of repair, etc...

Now...hmmm...I WONDER why NO ONE has ever seen this giant armada of ships DESPITE the fact that all you have to do is travel a couple thousand miles if you have a Cessna. I mean, you people have the same technology for travel as anyone else, so why don't you GO OUT AND SEE! But more than that, I would LOVE to see A SINGLE SHREAD OF EVIDENCE for any of those ships, the facilities that has the ability to manufacture them, the people who manage them, etc....

Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2017, 02:06:11 PM »
So, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now?  Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future.  Thanks!

show us some pictures rather than whinging.

We want to see the following.

1) Pictures of the guards guarding the ice wall.
2) Pictures of the guards snacking on genetically modified penguins as claimed by the Zetetic master himself John Davis
3) Pictures of the land beyond the ice wall which you say is green and lush.
4) Pictures of John Davis astride the ice wall.

Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2017, 02:18:03 PM »
So, absence of evidence is evidence of absence now?  Please, look up argumentum ad ignorantiam and other logical fallacies in order to keep from embarrassing yourself in the future.  Thanks!

show us some pictures rather than whinging.

We want to see the following.

1) Pictures of the guards guarding the ice wall.
2) Pictures of the guards snacking on genetically modified penguins as claimed by the Zetetic master himself John Davis
3) Pictures of the land beyond the ice wall which you say is green and lush.
4) Pictures of John Davis astride the ice wall.
That is what they do, attack the questions, and give no answers.  There is your proof!!

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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2017, 08:47:04 PM »
Proof found!

« Last Edit: June 29, 2017, 10:11:00 PM by Paul »

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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2017, 11:23:40 PM »
Proof found!


That photo must be fake!! one of the FE conspiracy's. if you look closely, they are standing on a wooden floor.
No way they have been building a wooden floor all the way around the Ice wall!!
this photo is taken somewhere inside!!
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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2017, 11:31:54 PM »
You Round Earthers can only spill lies! You want me to show you ships that guard the Ice Wall?



BTW, the horizon is nicely flat!

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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2017, 11:38:32 PM »
You Round Earthers can only spill lies! You want me to show you ships that guard the Ice Wall?



BTW, the horizon is nicely flat!

Bullshit, this one is taken in yo mama's own bathtub, you can still see the bathtub painted in blue in the background. That is why it looks flat.
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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2017, 09:54:11 AM »
Image of ships.

BTW, the horizon is nicely flat!

No, it's not. It's about what you'd expect to see on a large sphere.


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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2017, 02:27:11 PM »
Oh only Round Earther may insist on his "truth" showing CGIs. Do you want me to fix barrel distortion of this image in PS?

Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2017, 02:35:55 PM »
There is no evidence because it was the penguins. No one suspected the Spanish Inquisition, so no one expects the penguins.

They can lurk in their 'natural habitat' listening and waiting for someone who needs to be removed, why else do you think people have disappeared in Antarctica.
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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2017, 03:01:58 PM »
Oh only Round Earther may insist on his "truth" showing CGIs. Do you want me to fix barrel distortion of this image in PS?
Did you take the picture yourself or know the exact details of the camera/lens and cropping? If not, you can't.

Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2017, 06:48:56 PM »
There is no evidence because it was the penguins. No one suspected the Spanish Inquisition, so no one expects the penguins.

They can lurk in their 'natural habitat' listening and waiting for someone who needs to be removed, why else do you think people have disappeared in Antarctica.

Can you enumerate the people are missing, and the circumstances of their missing? Or is that just a rumor?
PS: Antarctica is Real! That requires a globe Earth.
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The earth is a globe.

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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2017, 06:56:52 PM »
There is no evidence because it was the penguins. No one suspected the Spanish Inquisition, so no one expects the penguins.

They can lurk in their 'natural habitat' listening and waiting for someone who needs to be removed, why else do you think people have disappeared in Antarctica.

Can you enumerate the people are missing, and the circumstances of their missing? Or is that just a rumor?
PS: Antarctica is Real! That requires a globe Earth.
There are a few, for example,  Jarle Andhøy was having an expedition to the south pole in a horribly unprepared way.
After he and one crew member went ashore to go the pole on quad bikes (which the ship wasn't fit to carry) the ship was lost with the three crew members that were on it.

Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2017, 07:23:45 PM »
There is no evidence because it was the penguins. No one suspected the Spanish Inquisition, so no one expects the penguins.

They can lurk in their 'natural habitat' listening and waiting for someone who needs to be removed, why else do you think people have disappeared in Antarctica.

Can you enumerate the people are missing, and the circumstances of their missing? Or is that just a rumor?
PS: Antarctica is Real! That requires a globe Earth.
There are a few, for example,  Jarle Andhøy was having an expedition to the south pole in a horribly unprepared way.
After he and one crew member went ashore to go the pole on quad bikes (which the ship wasn't fit to carry) the ship was lost with the three crew members that were on it.

LOL; and the date of your rescue off the ice pack, need something that can be verified, or even the name of the ship and list of crew members lost? Let us not derail the OP.
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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2017, 07:31:31 PM »
There is no evidence because it was the penguins. No one suspected the Spanish Inquisition, so no one expects the penguins.

They can lurk in their 'natural habitat' listening and waiting for someone who needs to be removed, why else do you think people have disappeared in Antarctica.

Can you enumerate the people are missing, and the circumstances of their missing? Or is that just a rumor?
PS: Antarctica is Real! That requires a globe Earth.
There are a few, for example,  Jarle Andhøy was having an expedition to the south pole in a horribly unprepared way.
After he and one crew member went ashore to go the pole on quad bikes (which the ship wasn't fit to carry) the ship was lost with the three crew members that were on it.

LOL; and the date of your rescue off the ice pack, need something that can be verified, or even the name of the ship and list of crew members lost? Let us not derail the OP.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4709377/Three-die-in-Viking-yacht-off-Antarctica

Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2017, 07:54:37 PM »
There is no evidence because it was the penguins. No one suspected the Spanish Inquisition, so no one expects the penguins.

They can lurk in their 'natural habitat' listening and waiting for someone who needs to be removed, why else do you think people have disappeared in Antarctica.

Can you enumerate the people are missing, and the circumstances of their missing? Or is that just a rumor?
PS: Antarctica is Real! That requires a globe Earth.
There are a few, for example,  Jarle Andhøy was having an expedition to the south pole in a horribly unprepared way.
After he and one crew member went ashore to go the pole on quad bikes (which the ship wasn't fit to carry) the ship was lost with the three crew members that were on it.

LOL; and the date of your rescue off the ice pack, need something that can be verified, or even the name of the ship and list of crew members lost? Let us not derail the OP.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4709377/Three-die-in-Viking-yacht-off-Antarctica

My apologies, as I first thought it was in just; where as the reality, is devastating to those who were involved. Enough said, no further comment is needed along this line.
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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2017, 03:38:04 AM »
I already went to the edge and took some photos as proof. Unfortunately, I got caught by the "Agency for the Round Earth Conspiracy". They almost killed me and took all the evidence that I had. So you have to take my word for it. I might try to sue them, but I am sure all the judges and the government etc. are part of them too...

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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2017, 04:06:09 AM »
I already went to the edge and took some photos as proof. Unfortunately, I got caught by the "Agency for the Round Earth Conspiracy". They almost killed me and took all the evidence that I had. So you have to take my word for it. I might try to sue them, but I am sure all the judges and the government etc. are part of them too...

Bit risky carrying around the photos on your person - and not even making copies!
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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2017, 08:30:13 AM »
I already went to the edge and took some photos as proof. Unfortunately, I got caught by the "Agency for the Round Earth Conspiracy". They almost killed me and took all the evidence that I had. So you have to take my word for it. I might try to sue them, but I am sure all the judges and the government etc. are part of them too...

Bit risky carrying around the photos on your person - and not even making copies!

I'm sure he wasn't that risky, by the sounds of it they made him delete it all at gun point
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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2017, 03:26:23 PM »
Oh only Round Earther may insist on his "truth" showing CGIs. Do you want me to fix barrel distortion of this image in PS?

You were the one that commented that the horizon in the image was flat. I merely showed that it was subtly curved, as would be expected for such a large sphere.

You apparently now agree, after being shown, that the horizon in the image is curved. Feel free to verify this for yourself if you want.

Before you can correct barrel distortion, you need to know how much (if any) barrel distortion there is. This depends on the characteristics of the entire imaging system. Do you have sufficient information for that particular photo? Until adequate details are known, we can just as easily presume it suffers from a slight amount of pincushion distortion.
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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2017, 03:38:09 PM »
Are you joking me? With the actual technology do you really need someone to patrol? All they need to know is who's going there and why. There is any proof of someone crossing from the Atlantic shore to the Pacific shore?

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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2017, 04:23:30 PM »
Are you joking me? With the actual technology do you really need someone to patrol? All they need to know is who's going there and why. There is any proof of someone crossing from the Atlantic shore to the Pacific shore?
This near enough?

The International Trans-Antarctica Expedition, 1989-1990


The six members of the team at the geographic Pole, 12 December 1989

   

The International Trans-Antarctica Expedition,
1989-1990, Route

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Re: Proof of the firmament/ice wall guards
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2017, 05:02:24 PM »
Are you joking me? With the actual technology do you really need someone to patrol? All they need to know is who's going there and why. There is any proof of someone crossing from the Atlantic shore to the Pacific shore?
This near enough?

Couldn't find it about 3 month ago! Maybe they will add some videos too, or maybe they just don't think it's important. There are some on youtube added in 2014. Youtube is 12 years old.

The International Trans-Antarctica Expedition, 1989-1990


The six members of the team at the geographic Pole, 12 December 1989

   

The International Trans-Antarctica Expedition,
1989-1990, Route