This is ordinary mercury in liquid form. It’s said that Xerum-525 is mercury-like substance, violet in color. Popular culture knows many stories and theories of possible Nazi relations to various occult traditions. The existence of Xerum-525 is...
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Note: This feature currently requires accessing the site using the built-in Safari browser. We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement. 1 2 3 Next 1 of 3 Go to page Go Next Last Jopa79 Lt. General 48 Badges Aug 14, 2016 1.413 3.749 May 10, 2019 Add bookmark #1 This is ordinary mercury in liquid form. It's said that Xerum-525 is mercury-like substance, violet in color. Popular culture knows many stories and theories of possible Nazi relations to various occult traditions. The existence of Xerum-525 is one of the most interesting of these speculations. According to the contemporaries Xerum-525 in liquid form was a mercury-like and violet or red in color and its use as a 'fuel' enabled the most hidden and secret Nazi-technology, Wunderwaffe - Die Glocke. Mount Kenya is claimed deposit area for gems and alloys used in manufacturing Xerum-525 Xerum-525 was derived from gems called Blue Almasi and processed further with a rare ore, Ogundium both found from Mount Kenya. In the 1930's, the British suspected the Germans of planning an invasion in East Africa. It's later theorized as being a German covert operation to attain Blue Almasi and Ogundium for the projects of the Third Reich. Shortly after the WWII Ogundium was also discovered as a result of the Operation Paperclip in which over 1 500 German scientists, technicians and engineers from the former Nazi-Germany were brought to United States and they worked for the US to acquire the weaponry and the technological secrets of the Third Reich. Hans Kammler (1901-1945) Hans Kammler was a German civil engineer and SS-commander during the Nazi era. He oversaw SS projects and was put in charge for the German V-2 and jet programmes. Some say, that he was also the supervisor of the secret German Space Project - Die Glocke. During the last days of WWII Kammler and his team consisting 60 personnel of German top scientists, engineers, and researchers mystically disappeared. Die Glocke was a part of German Project Riese - a project of underground research facilities. The Complex Sokolec, inside the Mountain Gontowa in present-day Poland presumably served in Die Glocke -project also consisting a surface testing area, the henge. It is a concrete frame, still existing that may have been constructed for testing the anti-gravity capabilities of Die Glocke. Die Glocke A powerful, top secret time machine. Allegedly created by the Nazis towards the end of the WWII. A weapon so powerful and exotic, that even in the last minutes of the war Die Glocke could have changed the course of the WWII. This device was made of Leichtmetall - light metal of thorium and berellium. Xerum-525 was stored in two counter-rotating cylinders and it was one known key-element in devices' anti-gravity and free-energy capabilities. Die Glocke had an effect zone and within this zone crystals would form in animal tissue, blood would gel and plants would decompose into a grease. This device was an anti-gravity, ufo-like craft and many believed it could travel across the time. Die Glocke could have helped the Third Reich to reach space, visit the moon and Mars. Present-day engineers and researchers speculate about the thing, if Die Glocke existed and was in German use, it would have changed the outcome of the WWII. Disclaimer: The content of this thread should not be taken as a fact, instead it should encourage the reader to do his/her own research. Toggle signature "If there was a time of peace we were in, the war would be forthcoming. We are lucky to be in a war, the time of peace will surely follow next" - Unknown Reply Report Director Maestro 34 Badges Aug 13, 2002 5.428 4.104 May 16, 2019 Add bookmark #2 Speculation fueled with assumptions, accompanied by pseudo-scientific Nazi fantasies, documented by 'people say' and culminating in 'May' and 'If'. Mystical Nazi fanti-science unknown and unknowable by all the brilliant theorists and experimentalists in the seventy years since WW2. And, of course, after making an anti-gravity-equipped time machine, the Nazis never did anything verifiable with it. Perhaps they gave up on winning the war and are touring Jurassic Park in Lemuria instead? It would be as profitable to speculate that snow scooped from Olympus Mons could be processed into 'Marsoleum' and used to power Aladdin's flying carpet, made from Yeti-fur, and capable of cleaning out any grease-spots, too. ("Its a dessert topping - and a floor wax!") You can do your own research into that, also. Apologies for the sarcastic tone, but... really? This? Toggle signature "That which does not kill me, has made a grave tactical error." - Jerry Pournelle HistoryPark: The Peasants Are Revolting! Opening soon at a Theme Park near you. Eight AARs and Pictures too : Director's Inkwell Reply Report Yakman City of Washington, District of Columbia 26 Badges Jan 5, 2004 6.325 16.951 May 16, 2019 Add bookmark #3 Listen, I love me a 'Nazis Made Wizard Zombies in Antarctica' article as much as the next guy, but yeah. this ain't history. Toggle signature "Again again I say to you, Yakman speaketh the truth. -Petrarca Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth -- Pablo Picasso ++ Yakman is the best poster on the OT -Huzzbutt ++ -1000, History-Forum Banned 5 january 2006 ++ OT-Forum Banned 8 may 2007 ++ Unbanned 24 may 2014 Reply Report Sarmatia1871 Field Marshal 56 Badges Mar 22, 2004 3.889 353 May 16, 2019 Add bookmark #4 What is this nonsense doing in the history forum? Toggle signature High Commissioner of the International Lunar Congress ¡ Long Live Democratic Socialist Nomis, Under the Popular Front ! Historic Creations include All The Russias, Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg, Medievalized Graphics for Crusader Kings, Engla Land (1066), Election IV: After the Martians and "Peaceably if we may, Forcibly if we must:" The First Century of the British Commonwealth, 1836-1936 (on hold). Reply Report Pyoro Lt. General 46 Badges May 4, 2009 1.639 6.349 May 17, 2019 Add bookmark #5 I thought it fit quite well with the 7043 "what if..." WWII threads. Reply Report Jopa79 Lt. General 48 Badges Aug 14, 2016 1.413 3.749 May 17, 2019 Add bookmark #6 Sarmatia1871 said: What is this nonsense doing in the history forum? Click to expand... If nonsense, then you shouldn't read threads like this. Toggle signature "If there was a time of peace we were in, the war would be forthcoming. We are lucky to be in a war, the time of peace will surely follow next" - Unknown Reply Report Antediluvian Monster Pelagian Heretic 3 Badges Dec 7, 2015 2.315 2.249 May 17, 2019 Add bookmark #7 Jopa79 said: If nonsense, then you shouldn't read threads like this. Click to expand... It does pose a thematic question though, if history of conspiracy theories belongs here, does e.g. history of comic books belong here too? Reply Report Jopa79 Lt. General 48 Badges Aug 14, 2016 1.413 3.749 May 17, 2019 Add bookmark #8 Antediluvian Monster said: It does pose a thematic question though, if history of conspiracy theories belongs here, does e.g. history of comic books belong here too? Click to expand... I wouldn't say this just a conspiracy theory, there are actual persons and real historical events around Xerum-525 and Die Glocke. Rather assumptions and far-reaching views of this subject. Most importantly, if you read the thread carefully, the disclaimer says, not a fact and should encourage for doing own research (if interested). It's not my decision to choose which threads belong here, but yes, it would be nice to hear and read something about history of comic books, instead of listening the non-stop arguments about who was the best general of WWII and which tank was the most capable of doing things. By banning existence of certain things citing to the impossibility just because a theory is crazy or one haven't ever heard about such a thing limits the human ability to understand the history and it also limits the future evolution - when the mind is blind, the eyes are useless. Toggle signature "If there was a time of peace we were in, the war would be forthcoming. We are lucky to be in a war, the time of peace will surely follow next" - Unknown Reply Report Mder1 Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus 111 Badges Jul 18, 2012 377 4.732 May 17, 2019 Add bookmark #9 Let's hear a renowned expert on German advanced science during the war; Dr. Axel Stoll(†): The video is very short and concise, so even I generally dislike using them, I think it is through and through appropriate to hear the man himself instead of me writing down a transcript. Toggle signature Früher, beim Gipskrieg, als die Gummistiefel noch selbst gestrickt,das Freibier noch gratis aber nicht umsonst,die Cola noch weiß, der Kaiser noch am Leben,Jesus jung und die Zeiten besser waren.-Maximilian L. Reply Report Narwhal Lt. General 21 Badges Jul 30, 2009 1.587 178 May 17, 2019 Add bookmark #10 I recently read a short story about the government of France in 2010 sending 24 Leclerc MBT and a few dizains MILAN ATGM into the past to 1939 (with user manuals) to "win" WW2 and change history - and what happens due to this change from the government wondering who the heck built those super machines and trying to study the technologies as much as using them on the battlefield, to their defeat DESPITE the Leclerc and the Germans actually studying them and critically the MILAN ATGM and putting them to good use. It was still more realistic than this. Toggle signature My wargame blog Learning from Prussia - a Rise of Prussia AAR for beginners - or how a forced march in winter saved Prussia from annihilation. A Tale of French and War Crimes : A double Multiplayer AAR of Wars in America with Loki100. Includes violence against English and Indians - not suited for children. The War of 1812 - or how I burned down Washington Hannibal, Rome and Carthage in the Second Punic War Join Hannibal and lead one of his units in battle in CAARnage for CAARthage ! The Yellow PAARil, a call of War_AAR Je ne suis d'aucune faction ; je les combattrai toutes -- Saint Just Reply Report Jopa79 Lt. General 48 Badges Aug 14, 2016 1.413 3.749 May 17, 2019 Add bookmark #11 Mder1 said: Let's hear a renowned expert on German advanced science during the war; Dr. Axel Stoll(†): The video is very short and concise, so even I generally dislike using them, I think it is through and through appropriate to hear the man himself instead of me writing down a transcript. Click to expand... Interesting indeed...thanks for sharing. Toggle signature "If there was a time of peace we were in, the war would be forthcoming. We are lucky to be in a war, the time of peace will surely follow next" - Unknown Reply Report TheFlemishDuck Silly Goose 8 Badges Nov 28, 2001 2.266 2.643 Visit site May 17, 2019 Add bookmark #12 Jopa79 said: Interesting indeed...thanks for sharing. Click to expand... Watch out what you are getting into. Stoll was indeed the one behind the whole "die glocke" story. Besides this he believed the Germans had colonised the moon by the end of the war and that Aryan's were aliens originating from Aldabaran. I do suspect the man made a good buck out of his books on such matters. That said, a thread like this can be "fun" though perhaps more something for OT. Toggle signature “It is always sound business to take any obtainable net gain, at any cost and at any risk to the rest of the community” --Thorstein Veblen "If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them." --Isaac Asimov Money is to economics as weapons are to diplomacy. Reply Report Yakman City of Washington, District of Columbia 26 Badges Jan 5, 2004 6.325 16.951 May 18, 2019 Add bookmark #13 Jopa79 said: I wouldn't say this just a conspiracy theory, there are actual persons and real historical events around Xerum-525 and Die Glocke. Rather assumptions and far-reaching views of this subject. Most importantly, if you read the thread carefully, the disclaimer says, not a fact and should encourage for doing own research (if interested). It's not my decision to choose which threads belong here, but yes, it would be nice to hear and read something about history of comic books, instead of listening the non-stop arguments about who was the best general of WWII and which tank was the most capable of doing things. By banning existence of certain things citing to the impossibility just because a theory is crazy or one haven't ever heard about such a thing limits the human ability to understand the history and it also limits the future evolution - when the mind is blind, the eyes are useless. Click to expand... This is a conspiracy theory. Toggle signature "Again again I say to you, Yakman speaketh the truth. -Petrarca Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth -- Pablo Picasso ++ Yakman is the best poster on the OT -Huzzbutt ++ -1000, History-Forum Banned 5 january 2006 ++ OT-Forum Banned 8 may 2007 ++ Unbanned 24 may 2014 Reply Report Yakman City of Washington, District of Columbia 26 Badges Jan 5, 2004 6.325 16.951 May 18, 2019 Add bookmark #14 Narwhal said: I recently read a short story about the government of France in 2010 sending 24 Leclerc MBT and a few dizains MILAN ATGM into the past to 1939 (with user manuals) to "win" WW2 and change history - and what happens due to this change from the government wondering who the heck built those super machines and trying to study the technologies as much as using them on the battlefield, to their defeat DESPITE the Leclerc and the Germans actually studying them and critically the MILAN ATGM and putting them to good use. It was still more realistic than this. Click to expand... Delightful. Toggle signature "Again again I say to you, Yakman speaketh the truth. -Petrarca Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth -- Pablo Picasso ++ Yakman is the best poster on the OT -Huzzbutt ++ -1000, History-Forum Banned 5 january 2006 ++ OT-Forum Banned 8 may 2007 ++ Unbanned 24 may 2014 Reply Report E Easy-Kill O you were the best of all of my days! 6 Badges Apr 1, 2006 3.128 2.799 May 18, 2019 Add bookmark #15 Yakman said: This is a conspiracy theory. Click to expand... Now there is an interesting question to be had here. Were there genuinely senior members of the German Military and/or Nazi party who believed in such technologies and invested in their development with the expectation that it would lead to a change in the outcome of the war? Toggle signature 'You might however consider whether you should not unfold as a background the great privilege of habeas corpus and trial by jury, which are the supreme protection invented by the English people for ordinary individuals against the state. The power of the Executive to cast a man in prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government, whether Nazi or Communist.' Sir Winston Churchill Reply Report Yakman City of Washington, District of Columbia 26 Badges Jan 5, 2004 6.325 16.951 May 18, 2019 Add bookmark #16 Easy-Kill said: Now there is an interesting question to be had here. Were there genuinely senior members of the German Military and/or Nazi party who believed in such technologies and invested in their development with the expectation that it would lead to a change in the outcome of the war? Click to expand... I would recommend that you at least perform a cursory review of the literature about how many drugs the Nazi leadership were on. It's quite enlightening. Toggle signature "Again again I say to you, Yakman speaketh the truth. -Petrarca Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth -- Pablo Picasso ++ Yakman is the best poster on the OT -Huzzbutt ++ -1000, History-Forum Banned 5 january 2006 ++ OT-Forum Banned 8 may 2007 ++ Unbanned 24 may 2014 Reply Report E Easy-Kill O you were the best of all of my days! 6 Badges Apr 1, 2006 3.128 2.799 May 18, 2019 Add bookmark #17 Yakman said: I would recommend that you at least perform a cursory review of the literature about how many drugs the Nazi leadership were on. It's quite enlightening. Click to expand... That's all very well, but what about the actual question? For instance the UK. MOD used to have a branch that was responsible for gathering intelligence from extra terrestrial objects and UFOs (50's to 60s). Sounds pretty bonkers until you consider that extra terrestrial objects include man made satellites and UFOS are just flying objects that remain unidentified. I am sure that 100+ years ago the likes of Jules Verne were considered 'on drugs'. So I will repeat, that I would be interested in any serious histiography on the topic. Toggle signature 'You might however consider whether you should not unfold as a background the great privilege of habeas corpus and trial by jury, which are the supreme protection invented by the English people for ordinary individuals against the state. The power of the Executive to cast a man in prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government, whether Nazi or Communist.' Sir Winston Churchill Reply Report Yakman City of Washington, District of Columbia 26 Badges Jan 5, 2004 6.325 16.951 May 18, 2019 Add bookmark #18 Easy-Kill said: That's all very well, but what about the actual question? For instance the UK. MOD used to have a branch that was responsible for gathering intelligence from extra terrestrial objects and UFOs (50's to 60s). Sounds pretty bonkers until you consider that extra terrestrial objects include man made satellites and UFOS are just flying objects that remain unidentified. I am sure that 100+ years ago the likes of Jules Verne were considered 'on drugs'. So I will repeat, that I would be interested in any serious histiography on the topic. Click to expand... The space aliens are not amongst us. Any one saying anything else is peddling conspiracy theories, whether they know it or not. Toggle signature "Again again I say to you, Yakman speaketh the truth. -Petrarca Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth -- Pablo Picasso ++ Yakman is the best poster on the OT -Huzzbutt ++ -1000, History-Forum Banned 5 january 2006 ++ OT-Forum Banned 8 may 2007 ++ Unbanned 24 may 2014 Reply Report E Easy-Kill O you were the best of all of my days! 6 Badges Apr 1, 2006 3.128 2.799 May 18, 2019 Add bookmark #19 Yakman said: The space aliens are not amongst us. Any one saying anything else is peddling conspiracy theories, whether they know it or not. Click to expand... Alien Space bats or no, I am still interested to learn about how serious such topics were considered by Nazi Germany (and other nations). Can I can take it from your lack of serious r… truncated (4,950 more characters in archive)