“It’s happening again . . . woke up this morning to clear blue skies here in the lower Hudson Valley . . . three hours later, the entire sky is (...)
Conversations on Chemtrails- The truth about what is happening in (...) - Archives Bellaciao EN - 2003-2016 Archives Bellaciao EN - 2003-2016 Archives : FR | IT | ES Articles since 2022 Conversations on Chemtrails- The truth about what is happening in America Wednesday 23 March 2005 - Contact the author "It’s happening again . . . woke up this morning to clear blue skies here in the lower Hudson Valley . . . three hours later, the entire sky is criss-crossed with chemtrails, and there are three or four planes up there continuing to lay them down . . . these are NOT contrails . . . the patterns have no relationship to the flight paths in or out of New York airports, but literally cover the entire sky . . . someone is spraying something, and I’d sure love to know just what it is, who’s doing it, and why . . ." "I’ve been getting e-mail from a friend in upstate NY for a couple of weeks on the chemtrails in her region. We noticed them over Green Bay starting in 1999-they are not contrails." "Upstate NY here too and they are everywhere" "A week or so ago I saw 12 different trails making an * rather than an X. One jet went straight and then turned exactly on one of the lines and paralleled it. If these were commercial flights, I would be really nervous to have so many planes converging on one central axis. I was driving at the time and til I got back they had blended into one grey scummy cloud. I was really sorry I missed that shot. I’m not convinced they are deliberately trying to spread disease or affect our health, could be a by-product or not happening at all...then again, if they are told they are "helping protect the world/ozone layer" etc etc,that might make them feel better about doing these flights. I honestly don’t know...I just have a lot of questions about these things. BTW..my son just said they are "chemtrailing" right now as I type this -easy to see with the almost full moon." "I’ve noticed that I see persistant contrails (chemtrails) more frequently as I travel inland. Though they do occur in NH where I live, they seem to be more prominent in the hudson valley and inland areas of New York, for example. The fact that they are relatively INFREQUENT here causes me to think there is something to the phenomenon. We do get the classic patterns about once per month, more frequently in the summer. If they were just normal contrails, wouldn’t they be seen all the time, since most commercial air traffic follows a regular schedule? Of course, conditions in the upper atmosphere could play a role, but then again they are seen at all times of the year." "Every one thinks I’m crazy about this subject too, but I can’t find any other explanation for what I’m seeing. I’ve lived around airports my whole life, but never have I seen the trails that have been showing up for the last couple of years. The morning will start out nice & sunny, but after the planes have made a couple of crosses or circles in the sky, we have overcast for the rest of the day. Why do people insist that there is nothing going on? Does no one look up anymore?? And not just when the planes are going by...you have to watch those trails for an hour or two to realize they aren’t just "ice crystals". You can actually watch them disperse in the air. Yesterday there was a nice rainbow ring around the sun from whatever was in the air. My question is...do people not want to believe that this is happening? That there is a section of people in the government that is doing something so top secret that no one would know what they are doing and that they have some sinister plan for what they are doing? Is that why everyone tries so hard to debunk it?? All I ask is that people start looking up...and if there was ever a bunch of people who I would trust to find the truth in this matter, it would be here at DU..." "What are the visible differences between "chemtrails" and contrails? Defend your assertion." my father was in the service, and I grew up on Air Force bases . . . I know what contrails look like . . . they are essentially water vapor, and they disperse quickly . . . chemtrails, on the other hand, not only remain in the sky, they actually spread and essentially become clouds . . . a trail laid out at, say, 10:00 am is pretty fully spread by noon . . . "Are you sayint that 3 or 4 planes are going back and forth making clouds or that you can see 3 or 4 planes doing so at any given time." that’s exactly what I’m saying . . . if you watch the planes, they lay down these extremely long trails . . . after they end their run, if you wait a few minutes you’ll see a new trail starting from roughly the end of the previous trail, but heading in a completely different direction . . . further, if you look at these planes through a telescope (which I’ve done), you’ll see that they have no markings whatsoever . . . just plain white planes . . . "Is it possible that the cloud patterns are related to flight paths out of any of the other major cities in the Northeast and/or Canada? New York is just one of the cities up there with large and numerous airports." highly doubtful . . . the patterns literally cover the entire sky . . . I can’t imagine that established flight paths could be so intersecting . . . "The clouds you see are condensation trails created when the exhaust of airplane engines is emitted into a layer of the atmosphere where the temperature is below the freezing point of water. When the relative humidity of the atmosphere at altitude is high the trails persist ... where the air is dryer the clouds evaporate. This phenomenon has been noted for many years." but these don’t evaporate . . . they stay there, and they expand, and eventually they cover the whole sky . . . try this experiment . . . next time you wake up to a clear blue sky, watch it throughout the day . . . chances are that, by mid-afternoon, the blue will be pretty much gone . . . much like this . . . that fuzzy wide "cloud" in the center of the photo was once a thin trail . . . if it were a contrail, it would have dissipated rather quickly, not spread out the way this one has . . ." "Thank goodness someone else here is taking this seriously. All I have to do is go outside today and I can see it. I left for lunch an hour ago to blue skies on one side...haze on the other. There were two white planes leaving long trails across the blue when I went in for lunch. When I came back out they were spreading out with mare’s tails. I expect by the time I leave work tonight, it will be cloudy again...Oh, and we were supposed to have snow again this week...but we haven’t. Did I mention that Minneapolis is 2 foot short of snowfall for the season??" "I see them things all the time. At first I thought it was all just a bunch of Art Bell nonsense then I started noticing every time there is a big display of the chem trails people start to get flu like symptoms like crazy. I have no idea if it is some evil plot to get us all sick or just a byproduct of whatever the hell they are doing. Either way something is going on that they aren’t telling us." "Same thing here in the Ohio valley. Those posters who want to ridicule can just keep on laughing. I have an open mind about this, but I tell ’ya, somethin’ ain’t right. I don’t think we’ve had one entire day of bright sunshine since last October, at least. I asked this question on another thread, but got no answer. If anyone knows where I can find a log of precipitation/weather conditions for a particular area of the country, over time, I’d sure like to check it out. I’ve tried to find something on NWS, but no luck. I’ve lived in this area of the country all my life, and I know what normal weather conditions are here" "And just to get back to the subject...The morning blue skies have been changed to that murky gray sky. I think the last time I can honestly say that I saw consecutive sunny skies were the three days after 9/11 when all the planes were grounded. Why is it okay to believe in JFK assassination theories, Roswell theories, PNAC and all these other things, and every one jumps on the bandwagon to discredit this? All I’m asking is for someone who knows about these things to check into it. I’m not a chemist or a physicist or a pilot. I’m just another startled American trying to figure out what happened to the great country I grew up in..." "it’s that stuff the gummint uses to turn perfectly rational people into stark raving republicans. I’ve always suspected it existed . . . just thought it was in the drinking water." "Considering how some of my formerly ultra-liberal friends have done a complete 180, nothing would suprise me. My best friend is like a freaking pod person." what if they actually are spraying something every day? . . . wouldn’t you want to know about it? . . . and do you believe that this is something the current administration wouldn’t undertake if they had a reason to do it? . . . given what I observe with my own eyes on a regular basis, I know that what I see in the sky is more than contrails . . . the what, who, and why I haven’t a clue about . . . since I trust my own eyes coupled with my 58 years of observing what’s happening in this country and around the world, I’ll need a good, logical explanation for what I’m seeing (again, NOT contrails) before I stop worrying . . . I don’t have to see proof that something is being sprayed . . . I need to see proof that something’s not being sprayed . . . “No matter how paranoid you are, what they’re actually doing is worse than you can possibily imagine!” . . . Ralph Gleason http://www.democraticunderground.co... Forum posts 23 March 2005, 23:59 I see chemtrails almost daily over Marshfield, WI. We also have one of the largest medical centers in western WI, coincidence? Perhaps. I dare to speculate on the reason behind these trails. I’ve read everything from enhancing cell tower mind control, to weather modification (presumably stop global warming?), to modifying human genetics. I don’t know what to believe anymore. I DO know that these have a negative impact on human health. During times of heavy spraying I’ve noticed a signficant increase in the number of admits to the hospital (where I work). The death rate goes up in the nursing homes for elders and more people seem to experience upper-respirator problems or infections. The other strange thing I’ve noticed is that the planes doing the spraying make little if any noise. I’ve heard commercial jets fly overhead and you can distinctly hear the echo of the jet engine. These planes are suprisingly stealth. It seems unlikely these are just contrails from these planes. I’ve seen contrails from behind these planes as well. What I can’t explain is when a contrain mysteriously elongates and turns into a chemtrail then stops and becomes a contrail again. If this is because of sudden dramatic atmospheric changes, I haven’t seen anything like it before. If you people are looking to take action against whatever this is these planes are doing, I suggest not going through the usual demonstration/media alert/mobilization process. Feel free to try this, but you might not get anywhere. Do a google search for "Wilhelm Reich". Reich was a student of Freud’s who later moved to the US to study natural science. He discovered what he called Orgone Energy which is similar in many ways to electricity, but has many unexplained behaviors which include life enhancing effects. He did a lot of study on atmospheric phenomena and developed something called the Cloudbuster which he used to cause or distroy clouds or storms in the atmosphere. He claimed that while natural "healthy" clouds were held together with this Orgone energy, smog clouds and pollution (chemtrails?) were held together with DOR (deadly orgone energy) which he linked to a great number of human health problems. Crazy huh? It just might hold the key to fighting chemtrails if you accept his paradigm. Google "chembuster" after you’ve read a bit about Reich and his ideas on Orgone energy. People have constructed these and testified that they are able to disapate chemtrails within a 90mi radius. Although I have my doubts about whether they can completely counteract all the stuff being sprayed out of these planes, they might get rid of the bulk of it. Good luck to all! These are crazy times we live in. 24 March 2005, 05:06 Hello-I live in the north western Sierra Nevada Mountains of California at around 6000 foot elevation and have observed for the better part of a decade increasing chemtrails. It is particularly disturbing to begin the day with a clear blue sky only to have it be totally overcast via chemtrail action by afternoon. The advent of which steadily has increased. When I speak to others the attitude generally and I guess not surprisingly is one of apathy. When we travel in any direction I continue to observe this creepy event. At times it makes me claustrophobic, like being under a can of RAID insect spray. It is mind boggling to consider the actual individuals piloting these aircraft. Although I generally lean toward being quite an optimistic person I’m sorry to say that this seems like a hopeless and helpless situation. The fact alone that it goes on day in and day out and that folks every where are not even reacting is terrifying. So much so that I wonder if perhaps the status quo of apathy might just be the path to follow for my own sanity. JS 25 March 2005, 03:31 I live in the Cleveland Akron area and have seen these silent aircraft completly cover the sky with clouds of some sort in the space of an afternoon. They fly in a straight line leaving a stream behind them and at first I thought, Gosh, the Gov’t is spending an awful lot of money these days on fuel for these "fighter" planes. That’s what every one thought. Until the aircraft starting going back and forth in the sky. It lookes like weaving. Then the aircraft disappeared and the trails left behind spread and spread until the sky was covered. People began having breathing problems and asthma attacks are on the rise. I have asthma myself and when the sky is covered with that molten lead, dirty grey color I have to get treatments. The sky has been covered here for 2 days and I lost my voice altogether. Speaking is painful and I can taste a metallic edge on my food. Does anyone get that horrible taste? It’s not overwhelming, just a hint of it. Tuesday I saw 3 aircraft coming our way from the east and one of them made a 90 degree angle and went south. The trail was still there so I held my book up and put it on the edges of the trail and it was 90 degrees. That was Tuesday. This is Friday. Gray skies since Tues. I’m done with this message. Maybe we should just go to the President and ask him. 25 March 2005, 05:01 When Corporations (including HUGE drug Companies) run the Country, the more illness the more business for them, the more money they make!! Same with Iraq.. the more psychologically impaired soldiers the more antidepressants they sell. Remember it is ALL about money!! They will do anything, and don’t care if people die. 29 March 2005, 00:48 On rare occasions I am able to get someone to look up and realize something is very much amiss. I have been astounded, however, on many occasions by the willful blindness of so many. It would be accurate to call this the Age of Chaos. Ordo Ab Chao indeed. We shall see. Keep your eyes open my brothers and sisters; the ride is about to get intense. 29 March 2005, 02:47 I agree 1000%%%%%%%%%%%%% You are Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 29 March 2005, 18:02 What makes you think there are human pilots abord those "planes". What makes you think they are a plane? I know they are high up. I heard one with a prop engine sound and then the plane dissapeared along with the prop sound and the chemtrail it laid at exactly the same time on a perfectly clear blue sky! If nato cant run this many sorties, and they appear simultaneously 24 hours a day over every land mass and ocean equally, then, well you get my point. Why has no one ever seen them land? Why is there no ID? Why are they the same the world around? Chemtrails have blood serum to transport nanobacteria for genetic modification and disease dispersal. They have barium and aluminum for 3d xray and communication blocking from outside the planet. Barium and aluminum are also the atmospheric 3D conductors for HAARP and the GWEN system. Get a grip, the future is changing, and fast. 5 April 2005, 18:35 I live in Northern California on the coast and constantly see the planes leaving chemtrails. Almost every day I watch the sky go from totally blue to completely overcast by 3pm when I get off work! Yesterday there were five planes all flying paralell spreading whatever poison of the day 3 June 2005, 08:30 A scientist here in Denver has been able to analyze particles from the chemtrails. He discovered they are dried red blood cells (RBC’s) with virus material inside the RBC’s. When the RBC’s connect with mucous membranes - in the nose, mouth, throat or lungs - the viruses activate and cause illnesses. The chemtrails are suspected to be a joint venture of government and BigPharma actions to keep the population feeling lousy - especially those with poor immune system function. That way we spend more money for so-called "health care", thus supporting the very system that is making us ill. Our only defense is to strengthen our immune systems - and create a public outcry about the chemtrails! 24 October 2005, 00:05 A scientist here in Denver has been able to analyze particles from the chemtrails. He discovered they are dried red blood cells (RBC’s) with virus material inside the RBC’s. When the RBC’s connect with mucous membranes - in the nose, mouth, throat or lungs - the viruses activate and cause illnesses. Regarding the above information, I too live in Denver, CO and would be most interested in obtaining more information about this scientist and a way to contact him or her. Thank you for any help you can provide. I’ve tried the usual route of writing letters to elected officials (what a joke) and trying to make people aware - who refuse to look up and face the facts. Thank you in advance for any information you might be able to provide. J.L. [email protected] 12 February 2006, 14:45 Well said...Here in tampa , Florida we(at least those of us who are aware and give a hoot) wake up to blue skies each morning only to be bombarded by mid-morning and have milky white skies to look fwd to by afternoon.It’s an almost daily occurence. I have spent hours documenting the spray patterns on video and the subsequent morphing the trails undergo;however, 99% of those I share my info with could care less about it,unreal. 6 April 2009, 08:17 i also live in tampa and lay in the pool and watch them spray. i have to go inside because something tells me not to lay under them for long. my sister moved to tampa and had the doors open during the fall and winter and now has upper respatory infection so bad she is on a inhaler every day and she never had breathing problems. 15 May 2009, 12:39, by seeker I agree with everything that you posted, but its not just about money, money is the carrot in front of the corporate donkey to get its participants into line and to further the agenda, we are talking world domination, a prison planet that’s corporatized by these maniacal soulless elitists, much of this agenda will be played out and fashioned under the hammer of “population control” agenda 21, but will be sold to the masses as global sustainability… 4 October 2019, 16:58, by Dedside@live Im in U.S. new mexico i see the streaks form clouds what is it why is it we need to unite worldwide and cast out the demon this is happening globaly to much power given to small groups constantly disrupting the balance of life will require a heavy toll 4 October 2019, 17:07, by Dedside@live We need to unite and stop the madness take the power away from these bastards they are useing our money to exterminate us un believeable 24 March… truncated (158,972 more characters in archive)