Ancient Civilization Discovered at the Bottom of Lake Issyk Kul in the Kyrgyz Mountains By Nikolai Lukashov | en.rian.ru An international archeologica
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The expedition resulted in sensational finds, including the discovery of major settlements, presently buried underwater. The data and artefacts obtained, which are currently under study, apply the finishing touches to the many years of exploration in the lake, made by seven previous expeditions. The addition of a previously unknown culture to the treasury of history extends the idea of the patterns and regularities of human development. Kyrgyz historians, led by Vladimir Ploskikh, vice president of the Kyrgyz Academy of Sciences, worked side-by-side with Russian colleagues, lead by historian Svetlana Lukashova and myself. All the Russians involved were experienced skin-divers and members of the Russian Confederation of Underwater Sports. We were responsible for the work done under water. Scuba divers ventured into the lake many times to study its bottom. Last year, we worked near the north coast at depths of 5-10 metres to discover formidable walls, some stretching for 500 meters-traces of a large city with an area of several square kilometers. In other words, it was a metropolis in its time. We also found Scythian burial mounds, eroded by waves over the centuries, and numerous well preserved artifacts-bronze battleaxes, arrowheads, self-sharpening daggers, objects discarded by smiths, casting molds, and a faceted gold bar, which was a monetary unit of the time. Lake Issyk Kul has played a tremendous role since the inception of human history due to its geographic location at the crossing of Indo-Aryan and other nomadic routes. Archeologists found traces of many religions here-Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Somewhere in the vicinity was Chihu, the metropolitan city of a mighty state of Wusung nomads, which ancient Chinese chronicles mentioned on many occasions. The Great Silk Road lay along the lake's coast until the 18th century. Even today, the descendants of caravan drivers recollect their ancestors' stories about travelling from Asia to Europe and back. Tamerlane built a fortress on one of the lake islets to hold aristocratic captives and keep his treasures. The famous Asian expeditions of Russian explorers Dmitry Przhevalsky and Pyotr Semyonov-Tianshansky started from that spot. The latter left us an enticing mystery. When he visited Venice in 1850, he looked at the Catalan Atlas of 1375 and came across a picture of a lakeside monastery with the caption: "The spot is named Isikol. Here is a monastery of Armenian brethren, which is rumored to possess the relics of St. Matthew the Apostle and Evangelist." Semyonov-Tianshansky embarked on a relentless but vain search for the shrine. To all appearances, the monastery was engulfed by water. Hydrologists have not to this day sufficiently studied the unique lake with regular shifts in its water level. Some changes are gradual, others sudden and disastrous since they are caused by earthquakes and torrents of water rush from lakes higher up in the mountains. Floods recede sooner or later, and people come back to the shores-only to become the victims of other floods 500-700 years later. Throughout the years of their partnership, Russian and Kyrgyz archeologists discovered and examined more than ten major flooded urban and rural settlements of varying ages. Their ample finds generously add to present-day ideas of everyday life in times long ago. Some artifacts are stunning. A 2,500 year-old ritual bronze cauldron was found on the bottom of the lake. The subtlety of its craftsmanship is amazing. Such excellent quality of joining details together can be presently obtained by metalwork in an inert gas. How did ancient people achieve their high-tech perfection? Also of superb workmanship are bronze mirrors, festive horse harnesses and many other objects. Articles identified as the world's oldest extant coins were also found underwater-gold wire rings used as small change and a large hexahedral goldpiece. Side by side with the settlements are remnants of ritual complexes of times immemorial, dwellings and household outbuildings. Later expeditions will study them. The information collected there allows us to conjecture that local people had a socio-economic system hitherto unknown to historians. As a blending of nomadic and settled life, it either gradually evolved into something different or-more likely-was destroyed by one of the many local floods. Legends confirm the latter assumption. Nikolai Lukashov, a member of the Russian Confederation of Underwater Sports, took part in the the Issyk Kul expedition. Article from: http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20071227/94372640.html The Legend of Issyk Kul's Creation In pre-Islamic legend, the king of the Ossounes had donkey's ears. He would hide them, and order each of his barbers killed to hide his secret. One barber yelled the secret into a well, but he didn't cover the well after. The well water rose and flooded the kingdom. The kingdom is today under the waters of Issyk-Kul. This is how the lake was formed, so legend says. Other legends say that four drowned cities lie at the bottom of the lake; in fact, substantial archaeological finds have been made in shallow waters of the lake. From: wikipedia http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=2626 Quote Like Dislike Share Share with: Link: Copy link Report this post Send private message Dec 28, 2011#22011-12-28T07:12RIDDLES of HISTORY "Burana" towerThe Great Silk Road connected in ancient centuries China and Europe, passed on territory of modern Kyrgyzstan. Ancient convoy way was the important trading artery, and on all his extents arose and very actively cities in which historical monuments of architecture till now were kept developed. The most ancient city of Kyrgyzstan Osh city that has noted in 2002 the 3-millenium. It is located around Sulejman too (a mountain which represents the original card of the city). Her name is connected with a name of legendary Babur, Tamerlans grandson who has constructed a chapel on the mountain. The caravan-saray Tash-Rabat - other monument of the Great trading way, concerns to 11 century. Served as a reloading point and original "hotel" for rest of dealers and travelers. The construction is built from a stone. To the most ancient monuments of history kept in territory of Kyrgyzstan, carry rock drawings, earliest of them are dated 2 thousand up to AD - VIII century up to AD. It is possible to open Kyrgyzstan again and again! http://www.alia.lg.kg/eng/kg.htm Quote Like Dislike Share Share with: Link: Copy link Report this post Send private message Dec 28, 2011#32011-12-28T07:47Tosor - Lake Issyk Kul These are photos from our first horse trek from Tosor to a valley 25km south over a 3800m pass and back again. Boo Ford came along for the ride and made a very good influence on our young Kyrgyz guide. We did well- Boo, Christina and I - to fit into our little 2 'man' tent. Many, many higlights of the ride. Christina evidently got stuck into the wildflowers and Dairy Products; I worked on my repetoire of Enrico Morricone tunes for whistling; and Boo was doing her best to parry off- with dignity, it must be said - our amorous guide (still a highlight). Instead of pre-arranged yurt stays we gate crashed on bonafide nomadic shepherds who were just as surprised at the 3 of us in our little tent as we were in their perfect set of gold teeth and diet of endangered Marco Polo Sheep. But boy did it taste good! (so sorry greenpeace, UN and Bob Geldoff - wont do it again) Alas, it was only a three day trip but just as well for the horses who were obviously pack-a-day-smokers when they weren't passed out drunk in the village fountain. But to end on a high note: Tosor was a wonderful lakeside camp site far from the usual raucus Issyk Kul crowds, bad Russian Techno and bikini waxes (Had we known perestroika would turn out like this what else would we have done?). so as i said: to end on a high note: we had a great time and would recommend Tosor to anyone needing a few days rest or for those keen on taking on the valley to its south. Extremely beautiful! http://blog.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/bird_dream/1/1217573400/tpod.html#_ Quote Like Dislike Share Share with: Link: Copy link Report this post Send private message Dec 28, 2011#42011-12-28T08:14A visit to Lake Issyk Kul [+] Spoiler A watermelon chills in the icy waters on a hot day. Soon after arriving in Central Asia I realized that Kyrgyz people base their entire summer around one trip. Visiting Lake Issyk Kul. I had the great fortune of visiting Kyrgyzstan's most popular attraction with some friends recently. Issyk Kul (113 miles long, 37 miles wide), the world's second largest mountain lake, was a favorite getaway for big shots during the days of the Soviet Union and now draws anyone and everyone to its cool blue waters. Old and new hotels line the northern shore while the south shore has remained relatively untouched by development due to its uninviting rocky beaches. Woman selling warm mare's milk out of her car. My friend Ulan insisted that it was time I try this treasured tradition. I did. One word: sour. For the most part, three days with my Kyrgyz friends on the shore seemed very similar to visiting any lake in the western world. But, as with everything in Kyrgyzstan, things here are just a little different. Take for example the variety of snacks and food that can be purchased from your beach towel. Kids passing all the time with a dozen smoked fish hooked on a stick all lined up for inspection by hungry customers, who I found out with my local friends love nothing more than their smoked trout, cold beer and warm sun overlooking the lake. Or homemade fruit rollups, or small bags of sunflower seeds, or meat pies, or then there's the non food items, the necklaces, the tattoo artists who paint on images that last for about a week, or the guy that walks back and forth on the beach, pitching photos next to his camel. Kyrgyz boy "poses" for the camera. I didn't see who instructed him to make this hand gesture, but I believe, after taking the photo, it was his father sitting next to me. All in all it was a great cultural experience which now allows me to speak with some authority when ask if I have been swimming in Lake Issyk Kul. http://mynotesfromthefield.blogspot.com ... k-kul.html+1 Quote Like Dislike Share Share with: Link: Copy link Report this post Send private message Dec 28, 2011#52011-12-28T08:39Hidden Lives Stored In Our Unconscious Mind [+] Spoiler Last Saturday I wrote about how I believe in reincarnation - and I still do! But I thought I'd play Devil's Advocate today and put the case for memories of previous lives not being all they are cracked up to be. I'm sure we've all read stories of people remembering past lives, while under hypnosis or some other form of regression. There are hundreds and hundreds of examples. Many check out and the circumstances of the previous lives appear perfectly genuine. But what if they are actually only memories from this life. Memories and detailed information can be stored in our brain without any of it being remembered by our conscious mind. A few investigations have been carried out, but lets look at some done by the Finnish psychiatrist Reima Kampman. He regressed people while they were in a deep hypnotic state and told them to, "Go back to an age before your birth, when you are somebody else, somewhere else." Many people were able to tell their stories of previous lives. One of these was Malina Bostojevski. Malina remembered her life as a seven year old boy whose father was the captain of a boat on Lake Issyk-Kul, the father's name was Aitmatov. The seven year old boy was lonely and for some reason felt envious of the fish he could see swimming so freely in the lake. In a fit of desperation he wanted to become a fish himself and dived into the lake - and sadly drowned. Once out of hypnosis Malina could remember nothing of the boy, the lake and so on. A further hypnosis session was arranged. This time she was asked to remember where she had first heard of the story about the lonely boy. She replied at once giving the title of a novel, Valkoinen Laiva (The White Ship). The novel was found and it is about Lake Issyk-Kul and the death by drowning of a young boy. The author's name was Aitmatov. After this Kampman followed the same procedure. A 19 year old student was regressed to her life as a 13th century innkeeper's daughter called Dorothy in England. While under hypnosis she surprised those present by singing a song she called 'The Summer Song'. The words however were not in her native tongue, but in an old form of English. Again, when no longer hypnotised, she had no knowledge of the song. Another hypnosis session was carried out and the student was told to go back to a time when she had seen the words and music of the song. This time she regressed to when she was 13 years old in her current life and remembered taking a book from the shelves of a library. The book was called 'Musiikin Vaiheet' which was a Finnish version of 'The History of Music' by Benjamin Britten and Imogen Holst. It was found that this included the song 'Sumer is icumen in' and the words just happened to be in medieval English. There are dozens of other such examples. Reima Kampman concluded therefore: "... that the experiences of the present personality were reflected in the secondary personalities, both in the form of realistic details and as emotional experiences. The recording of a song from a book simply by turning the leaves of the book at the age of 13 is an outstanding example of how very detailed information can be stored in our brain without any idea whatever of it in the conscious mind and how it can be retrieved in deep hypnosis." What I guess this infers is that the people carrying out the regressions do not afterwards ask where the stories of the lives 'discovered' originated. Were they in fact from books, forgotten conversations, movies and so on, hidden away in the dusty alcoves of the mind, where every word and experience is faithfully stored? Sometimes it's good to question our beliefs as this can ultimately strengthen them. http://www.67notout.com/2011/05/hidden- ... cious.html Quote Like Dislike Share Share with: Link: Copy link Report this post Send private message Dec 29, 2011#62011-12-29T03:47 Around Lake Issyk Kul Around Lake Issyk Kul (July 2 to 7) Izzyk Kul is the worlds second highest alpine lake after Lake Titicaca. It is slightly salty and never freezes. The lake is fed by 80 streams but it has no outlet. It is 60 km x 170 km and 700 m deep. And it is really beautiful. We spent 4 nights at different towns as we drove around the lake. Snowy peaks formed the background wherever we looked including Karakol Mountain at 5216 m. In the town of Kochkor we visited a felting workshop and had a demonstration of the technique they are using. We passed many large road-side sculptures of wild sheep, snow leopard, ibex, eagle, and deer, erected during Soviet times to emphasise the protected status of each animal. We celebrated Barneys birthday with dinner and a current cake at Lubas guest house in the village of Tamga. During a stop at the animal market in the village of Kyzyl Suu I was asked the question Im sure many local people have wondered...why you take pictures of animals? We visited the Prezhwalski Museum, investigated Scythian burial mounds dating from 8th century BC, wandered through a field of petroglyphs, and swam in the lake. We also visited the Burana Tower built in the 11th century and roamed a nearby grassland full of standing balbals stone markers erected as battle monuments by the Turkic tribes from the 6th to 10th centuries AD. We spent our last two nights back in Bishkek before flying back to Tashkent for one night and the end of the tour. We loved Kyrgyzstan its people, landscape, food and horses. Perhaps a nice long horseback trip next time. Photos from our travels around Lake Issyk Kul... Felt making demonstration in Kochkor http://chillybeans2010.blogspot.com/201 ... chive.html I encourage you to read this blog. There are other interesting blog posts and photos from their travels including this one about wild horses: Wild horses (July 14 and 15) wrote:We organized a two day trip out of UB to see the wild Prezhwalski horses in Hustai National Park. These are the only herds of wild horses left in the world and I have wanted to see them since I was a horse-crazy little girl. photos of our trip to Hustai to see the wild horses... wild horses+7 Quote Like Dislike Share Share with: Link: Copy link Report this post Send private message Dec 29, 2011#72011-12-29T04:06Felt Animals [+] Spoiler Felt Hats Felt Rugs slide show Traditional Kyrgyz felt rug blog +2 Quote Like Dislike Share Share with: Link: Copy link Report this post Send private message Dec 29, 2011#82011-12-29T05:06roadside sculpture - snow leopard roadside yurts selling fermented mares milk north shore Issyk Kul Tamga village Tamga village hay trucks horns found by hikers in Tien Shan petroglyphs petroglyphs road side fish, honey and cherries +7 Quote Like Dislike Share Share with: Link: Copy link Report this post Send private message Dec 29, 2011#92011-12-29T05:16Here are a couple more pictures of the Burana Tower as taken by these traveling bloggers. It's a fascinating tower really and curious. Burana Tower - 11th C Balbals - Turkic - 6th to 8th C [+] Spoiler +2 Quote Like Dislike Share Share with: Link: Copy link Report this post Send private message Dec 29, 2011#102011-12-29T05:40 Kyrgyz Republic (July 2006) Incredible mountanous region with a sacred Lake Issyk Kul. I re-opened this page. I'd been looking at the man's hat and musing over his seam tear and wearing the hat as well. It was later I ran into the felting information and it all became clear and understandable. 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