Ann, Jeremiah, Roz, Lauren and Patte transcribed five of the six parts of Dr. Steven Greer and Dr. Ted Loder’s June 11, 2010 World Puja Network radio discussion of the cabal’s suppressi…
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We are at a turning point in the history of our planet where we can, in a very short time, move from the equivalent of horse-and-buggy energy technology to the space technology of free energy. Doing so will literally save this planet. Here then is a discussion that could lead to the freeing of zero-point energy and a defeating of the “planeticide” that Murder Incorporated and Big Oil are risking by suppressing it. Dr. Steven Greer: Welcome to Conversations with Dr. Steven Greer and this is Dr. Greer and I’m joined today with Doctor Ted Loder, science advisor for the Orion Project, Orion Project.org, and a very dear friend who has worked for many years on these issues with us. And we are going to be talking today about the catastrophic oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico that Bridge Petroleum has caused and the implications of it but also what the real solutions are that no one in the main stream media is talking about so thank you, Ted, for being with us today . Dr. Ted Loder: Its good to be with you Steve: So I think to set the stage for this. Of course everyone unless you’ve been in a coma for the past seven weeks knows about this catastrophic spill that is gushing millions and millions of gallons a day of toxic crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico in the biggest disaster environmentally in US history and the background of it. But what a lot of people don’t realize and we are really very fortunate to have Dr. Loder with us today on this call because he is a professor emeritus at the university of New Hampshire as a chemical oceanographer and can speak to some of the ramifications of what we are finding about this particular spill and what it means for the earth and for our environment and for the life and the ocean. So I don’t know if you want to talk a bit about that. Ted: Well, a couple comments, which have been talked about in the press but definitely, bear repeating. One is that oil, as most people are aware at some level, is really a mixture of thousands and thousands of hydrocarbon compounds. Some are very light and they are either gaseous, if they were at room temperature, or they are very lightweight, molecularly speaking. Some are very heavy, long chains of hydrocarbons that actually form the asphalt and the tar that we use on our roads and the heavier oils in the bunker sea oil and what have you. So the oil that comes out of the ground, if you will, is a mixture of these many, many gases from methane, which is one carbon and four hydrogen, very very light, which is the natural gas that people use in their houses, to the much heavier things. And it turns out there is also a very complex hydrocarbon with benzene rings and these circular rings of carbon and what have you and a lot of these tend to be very toxic, particularly the lighter-weight things. The tar itself, although toxic if you ate a bunch of it, is not as toxic as some of the lighter weight hydrocarbons. And so when the oil gets spurted into the water these lighter-weight hydrocarbons dissolve into the water and can if they are near the surface, where the food chains start if you will, where the phytoplankton, the tiny plankton in the ocean, live, these lightweight hydrocarbons can affect the eggs in the various larval stages, which, even if there are no adults around – say, shrimp or whatever else – it can affect the younger stages. Now one of the many concerns for the shrimp industry, for example, in the Gulf of Mexico is that the shrimp tend to be bottom feeders. They live on the bottom, and so the heavier oils or hydro carbons can sink to the bottom. The bacteria try to chew up this organic matter and utilize oxygen to do that in doing so they remove oxygen from the water columns so you end up with a situation where there is very low or no oxygen on the bottom. Now the Gulf of Mexico for decades has had a problem of “dead zones,” areas on the bottom where there has been no oxygen for several moths a year. And these areas have basically removed many of the organisms – particularly those that we fish – from those areas. Particularly shrimp in the Gulf, which is a multi-hundred million if not billion-dollar industry. So that is one of the concerns. So the picture, as we see, of the tar washing up on the shore killing turtles and birds and what have you because it wets their feathers down, etc., is just a very small percentage of the actual impact of this material. And one further comment is that the marshes of Louisiana, all up and down the coast of Alabama, in parts of Florida, all along that Texas coast, etc., the marshes, marshlands are incredible nurseries for young shrimp and various young fish, larval stages that grow up in the marsh where there is lots to eat and then they move out to the Gulf as adults. So if we get a lot of this oil into the marshes it will start affecting the larval stages. This can have an impact years later, as these young who never existed because they get killed would have grown up into adults and be fish down the line. So even if the oil stopped today the residual effect is many years lasting and this coating the bottom and causing oxygen to be depleted, increasing the potential dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico, is a very very real impact… Steve: Those dead zones that have been there for years are really the result of so much of the fertilizer and other… Ted: That is absolutely correct. Steve: … that have run off into the Mississippi delta into the Gulf and again you get this blooming of micro-organisms that use up all of the oxygen. Then every thing else dies and they are saying that this going to happen on steroids there in the Gulf and because of this exactly what is happening with these micro organisms eating the oil as it were but they are going to use up all of the oxygen. They just had on the news yesterday that a person from the University of Georgia that said that they had found that they were right at the cutoff of the oxygen concentration where life can live in vast areas of the Gulf where this oil has gone because of this phenomenon. I might also point out that the wetlands that are being coated and destroyed is not just what is just being killed that are larvae and life and birds and pelicans and all that. That everyone is seeing. But the actual marsh grass themselves and that’s going to be a loss of that land mass for a protected area for New Orleans and other cities. And to give people an idea, I have a farm out here near the University of Virginia and we a have a farmer who cuts organic hay and he likes it for his cows but when the farmer who is doing this about ten years ago spilled a little bit of fuel on some of the land and that area ten years later has nothing that will grow on it – no grass, nothing, dead. So this junk, this murderous, cancer-causing, death-inducing, life-destroying, noxious poisonous junk called oil that our society is addicted to is really deadly, and that is what people don’t understand about this. Now add to that and to this flurry of filth the most toxic dispersant on the market that BP is using in defiance of the EPA and of everything scientific, when there are dozens of other products that are less toxic and more effective and you are just creating a toxic chemical stew in this vast area of one of the most abundant estuaries and one of the most abundant areas for sea life in the world, where there the blue fin tuna and all kinds of things spawn. The point of this, of course, many people have heard some of this already, but I think what we want to focus on is the fact that British Petroleum is the fourth largest corporation on Earth. Number two, they misrepresented that when they got these licenses for deepwater drilling that they could take care of an accident much bigger than this one with alacrity and ease, when in fact that was a complete falsification and misrepresentation, lie and criminal misrepresentation of what their capabilities were. And number three we don’t need oil. Dr. Loder was telling me before we started the interview that he had just seen on an economic blog an economist talking about the fact that there has been active and ruthless suppression of Tesla high technologies for decades, which of course we have been saying on this program and which we have very well documented on at the orionproject.org. If you go to the website you will see there are many, many accounts of these kinds of suppressive activities including what we have just gone through in the last few months trying to get together some of these top secret scientist to work on these solutions so we don’t need oil anymore. We don’t need oil anymore. I think that this falls now into a category of what I call — what some might say ungenerously, but I think accurately — Murder, Incorporated. Murder Inc. is this consortium of interests that are national, transnational, corporate, and financial interests that will do anything to maintain their grip on the global, macroeconomic, geopolitical order, and on the energy sector which drives our entire economy. And this is why, when people try to come forward, whether it’s Nikola Tesla a hundred years ago, or our team of scientists in the last six months which wanted to, as it were, leave the government sector of top secret research and work with us — you have this massive machine that kicks in, that intimidates, threatens, murders, oppresses, uses illegal applications of the National Security Act, illegal applications of Title 35, Section 180 and 181 of the patent law which allows for national seizure of patents. Some 4000 such patents we’re told by a man who worked in the patent office have been seized and suppressed, and these sorts of things. So this conglomeration of special interests that are oil, big oil, big energy sector, petrodollar interests, have so corrupted government processes — and of course this has come out with the MMS the Mineral and Mining entity where they were finding that the people who were supposed to be regulating BP and these oil companies, but were actually having affairs with them and getting free first-class tickets and going on cruises and doing God knows what all — that what you find is that there is this collusion and corruption all through the system. And at the same time this collusion is brought to bear in abusing the power of the national security state to stop these technologies from coming out that would be the definitive replacement of oil, gas, coal, and nuclear power. Which is exactly what the orionproject.org is working on. And thanks to many of you good listeners, we are continuing to fight the good fight. But what, really, as I watch the media coverage, Ted, I think that one of the things I’m astonished by is the fact that no one is talking about the fact that the President of the United States has now made three or four trips down there, and every top-level cabinet person, and all the so called MIT brain trust and engineering trust has come in — not a single person has come forward to talk about the very advanced technologies that exist within classified projects that include the so-called alien reproduction vehicles and so-called anti-gravity vehicles that could, with alacrity, go down into this ocean, 5000 feet beneath the water, and seal this thing, probably within 30 minutes. This is something that’s not talked about because we’re talking about WSSM, Weird Science and Fricking Magic, as it’s called in the trade, of very advanced technologies that are transdimensional, anti-gravity, free energy — where, you know, this thing of . . . when I look at their solutions, of these junk shots, capping this thing mechanically, we’re talking about Newtonian era engineering. And these advanced sciences exist, within these classified projects, aren’t being brought to bear to fix this, even though this is killing an entire ecosystem. So this is, at this point, in my opinion, has reached the point where the public needs to write the White House and say, “Look into the orionproject.org, types of technologies we’re talking about and get these technologies to be brought to bear to A), stop the leak and the gusher immediately, B) clean it up, and C), bring out those technologies because we do not need to do any more drilling, in the gulf or Alaska or anywhere else, because we do not need it. In the discussion you always hear these people, “Well, you know, we want to be safe, but we have to drill, because we need the oil, because we don’t have anything else” — well, this is nonsense. Dr. Ted Loder: That is so great. Recently the Scientific American, I’m trying to find the article but I can’t put my fingers on it right now, but I think it’s Scientific American article or magazine coming up very soon, this summer. There’s a discussion of eight different energy technologies. And I looked through them the other day, and not one of them is outside the box. They are micro-nano-crystalline, better solar panels, they are better wind, they are tides, and a few other things. Not one of them is outside the conventional scientific technology. And this is what Scientific American is publishing as its real assessment of the present situation. And that’s of course — people see it, Scientific American, I’m not picking on them they do a lot of interesting things, but in this case they are missing the boat in terms of informing people of the reality of what technologies are available. It’s very sad. Steve: Well it is, and it’s not as though there’s no scientific literature or evidence for these technologies. These are not urban myths, in other words. And yet, you don’t see the mainstream media, or the political establishment talking about them at all. And I have to emphasize: not only would they prevent these sort of spills, because we would no longer be drilling for oil like these, but also, these technologies, we have guys that Dr. Loder and I have met with personally and have spent quite a bit of time with, who have worked on these so-called electromagneto robitic systems, these anti-gravity systems, that when they’re underwater are called USOs — instead of a UFO — and what you find that these technologies, because of the nature of the physics, move through the water or the air with no drag and no weight. That’s why there’s no sonic boom when one of these objects is moving at 20, 30, 40,000 mph and makes a right turn without decelerating. It’s controlling for 1 gravity, and there’s no weight or movement of the air because it has this effect — where it creates almost like an electrostatic bubble around it — which is one of the projects we’re talking about investigating in the orionproject.org is proposing to do a research and development program here, and we’re just finishing a new proposal which anyone who knows some philanthropists or people who can help fund it, should get hold of us immediately. And I think that what people have to understand is that these technologies — we have people that we have met with who have worked on these technologies since the ‘60s. It’s fully operational. And at disclosureproject,org, you can see testimony from people like Mark McCandlish, and I’ve met Brad Sorensen, who saw these man-made anti-gravity devices — these are not things from another star system. Ted: the ARVs. Steve: They’re called alien reproduction vehicles, and they were floating in a hangar at Norton Air Force Base in California back some years ago. It’s closed now, but there were three of them. One was around 25 feet, one around 50 feet and one was around 100 feet in diameter. They were just floating in this hangar. And their start-up power system was a 24-volt marine battery, and then these coils would go over unity, meaning they would pick up the energy from the quantum vacuum space around them, and were configured in such a way that there was a mass cancellation effect — and these things were just floating there. And these things were old ones that had built in the ‘60s that this guy saw in the ‘80s. And here we are in 2010, and the best thing we’re bring to bear for this global ecological and environmental catastrophe is 1800s era junk shots and Newtonian physics? Please! This is scandalous. This has reached a point of such outrage. And I have reached the point of such outrage, and I’m going to be very honest here, and I can only say so much, I have to draw the line with how far I go on this discussion, Ted. You know the person I’m talking about. There is a man who is extremely close to the President of the United States, Barack Obama, who has received the briefing materials and the information on these energy systems, on the illegal classification of these systems, and the need for Presidential executive action to get these technologies under his command to be used to benefit humanity. Now this briefing, and this information, has gone to someone extremely — underlined, and write large — close to the President. This we know and we have proof of. The question I have is, why doesn’t the President of the United States — who has now been given the name, project code numbers, project code names, and information, including the corporate entities, and where they’re located , and what these technologies are— why hasn’t the president set up a commission to get control of these projects, and put them to use, and fix this problem? Stan Meyer, inventor of the water car, killed by Murder Inc. Eugene Mallove, promoter of free energy, killed by Murder Inc. This is where I know it would take a lot of courage [to act] since you’re standing down a 6-trillion dollar monster called Murder Incorporated, who stops at almost nothing in order to keep these technologies secret. But for Heaven’s sakes, we’re destroying this planet, and before we end up coating this beautiful blue planet completely in oil, I think that someone needs to stand up and say “Wait a minute here. There are some very advanced technologies that are just sitting on a shelf, suppressed, that could be brought to bear to fix this problem so that we never have to go down this road again and never have to drill another oil well in the Gulf of Mexico, or in Alaska, or anywhere else for that matter.” But no one is bringing this issue up and I think that the people who are listening to orionproject.org need to call the White House and write them and there’s that information that’s on our website at Orion – theorionproject.org – and demand that action be taken on this issue. Ted Loder: I think that’s a very good point because, if it continues as it appears to be, with people fumbling around dropping the ball, so to speak, the potential environmental disaster is much, much larger. There’s a lot of things that are not being talked about by the mainstream media or just barely touched on. And if I may change the subject, just briefly for a moment I just need to bring this up. Steve: Sure Ted: One of the research experiments that was done a number of years ago was looking at the rainfal… truncated (37,351 more characters in archive)