Lazyman's Tek + JUNGLE TEK

SWIM found this advice from the Lazyman's Tek interesting:

Extraction advice; soak longer, extract more with less work

Instead of all of the multiple extractions one after the other you could save yourself some work by just throwing 500 g of broken pieces of root bark into 2 L of water with 200 g of NaOH dissolved into the water and then pour in 750 mL of naphtha and set the whole container aside for three days, stirring just once a day for 20 minutes at a time. After three days the solvent from a single draw of the aqueous mix should contain far more alkaloid, maybe has high as two thirds the total amount I had pulled out in four separate draws done over 24 hours. Obviously, even after letting the mix sit for three days and a very successful first big pull of the alkaloid from the mix you will need to re-extract the aqueous solution with more naphtha at least three times to get the bulk of the alkaloid[s] out..

SWIM figured by using MHRB powder he could save time and perhaps get an even better yield.

He measured out the NaOH (lye) and MHRB powder

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He added 60g NaOH to 600ml distilled H2O in a glass measuring cup, stirring the mixture with a glass rod to dissolve the NaOH. While the lye water was still hot SWIM added the MHRB to a 2-quart glass jar, then poured the lye water on top. He put the top on the jar and swirled the MHRB/lye water to mix. SWIM reports that this was actually much more effective than stirring with the glass rod, as the solution became so thick it stuck to the rod.

He quickly added the 225ml naphtha, put the lid back on the jar and then covered the top with a piece of plastic wrap secured with a rubber band, and swirled around again until everything was well mixed.

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After 24 hrs. there was only about ¼” of naphtha separated on the top, perhaps 100ml. SWIM decided to add another 100ml of naphtha. The basic solution was quite thick and reminded him of tar.

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It took quite a bit of swirling to get all of the naphtha redissolved (“stirring just once a day for 20 minutes at a time”). SWIM's first naphtha pull was fairly small

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But after evaporating overnight produced some nice crystals

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SWIM decided that the reason the naphtha was disappearing was because he was using only one sheet of thin plastic wrap and perhaps the action of securing the jar top cut the plastic and allowed naphtha to dissolve. For the second pull he added a second layer of plastic wrap and a piece of thick plastic cut from a baggie. The next day he could see plenty of naphtha on top. (The naphtha was clear but came out yellow from the flash.)

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To get the naphtha out of the jar SWIM put a funnel on his sep funnel (broken top) and poured from the jar into the sep funnel. Most came out in one pour, then a few small pours and rests in between kept the lye solution separate from the naphtha and none in the sep funnel. SWIM reports that keeping the mixture thick (“tar”) seems to really make a difference.

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SWIM placed the extracted naphtha in the same baking dish (redissolving the original crystals), covered the dish with paper towels secured the towels onto the dish with small pieces of duct tape. He placed the dish on a table in front of an open window and situated a small fan to blow air over the surface of the pan out the window. This setup prevents the forced air from directly coming in contact with the DMT (which changes their properties) and instead removes the naphtha as it evaporates into the air.

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Here are the combined first and second pulls after evaporation two days later.

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SWIM placed a green pillowcase below the baking dish in an attempt to get a clearer pic. Here’s a closeup of the top left corner of the dish

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another try

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SWIM had a hard time removing the naphtha for the third pull and only got a small amount

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Here are the first and second pull crystals after a week evap mixed with the third pull naphtha

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closeup

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While SWIM was waiting for the third pull to evaporate he read the Dark DMT – the Other Alkaloid thread, in particular entheogenist’s JUNGLE TEK and decided that this sounded interesting. He took the 3x pulled leftover MHRB/lye solution and a clean, empty HPDE milk jug

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and transferred the solution into the jug, leaving a thick tarry mess on the bottom of the glass canning jar. He scooped this junk out as best he could with his gloved hands

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The tek said to heat the toluene, then add it to the basified jug but SWIM prefers not to heat up toluene by itself, and thought that he’d get a better full-spectrum jungle pull by heating both together. He heated up a large stock pot with warm (not hot) water, then added the jug. He later added plastic wrap secured with a rubber band in case the top popped off the jug from the toluene expanding as it heated. The duct tape (SWIM’s all about ghetto) keeps the jug top pointed away from the water “just in case.”

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The first pull came out fairly easily, with only a little lye getting into the sep funnel and none transferred to the evap dish.

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Here’s the result of three toluene pulls with the MHRB solution. Not bad, especially considering SWIM normally would have thrown the MHRB out!

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Here’s a closeup of the crystals in the lower right corner

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peace
Phaedris

looks like the toluene pulled out cleaner white dmt, and not the jungle spice?

total yield and from how much MHRB?

My thoughts exactly...Why dont you try with xylene? isnt there another tek out there that doesnt involve xylene OR toluene? Every time Ive pulled w xylene, I got ruby red waxy shit that was strong as HELL.

opiatoker said

looks like the toluene pulled out cleaner white dmt, and not the jungle spice?

Yes, and the point of the toulene pulls was to get jungle spice. But SWIM reports about 100mg from the toulene pulls - which were done with MHRB which had already been thrice extracted and he was going to throw away. A pretty cool little bonus! :thumbup:

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total yield and from how much MHRB?

150g MHRB, total yield unknown as the three main naphtha pulls have been mixed with a BLAB extract and are still evaporating (SWIM's not in a hurry). SWIM's reply: "Lots" :teeth:
I'll try to get SWIM to give me pics of the final xtals after evap, it should be pretty spectacular.

SpiritMolecule said

My thoughts exactly...Why dont you try with xylene?

SWIM is very happy with the results of this (these) tek(s).

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isnt there another tek out there that doesnt involve xylene OR toluene?

SWIM tried BLAB and wasn't satisfied. I'm sure there are plenty of teks out there - feel free to try them and post your results here!

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Every time Ive pulled w xylene, I got ruby red waxy shit that was strong as HELL.

I'll let SWIM know to try xlyene - I know he's not a big fan of it because of the smell but he's definitely interested in jungle spice.

peace
Phaedris

[update]
Not long after I finished this extraction I had some buyers coming over to look at my place so I put all my chemistry paraphernalia into a big tote and hid it at the bottom of a closet. A few days ago I opened the tote and came across the milk jug from my jungle tek xtract attempt. The jug still contained contained all the alkaline MHRB in solution and in the last five months the solvent (I don’t think I used toluene) had separated out.

Three days ago ago I tipped the milk jug to pour the solvent into a glass container, stopping when the lye solution threatened to drip into the separated solvent. I repeated this several times until I had about 500ml of solvent in the container, with a little bit of gummy brownish-yellow lye crap that had come through. I poured the solvent from the glass container into a pyrex baking dish, making sure that there was absolutely no lye in the transferred solution. I covered the baking dish with a couple of paper towels duct-taped into place and put it in a well-ventilated area with a desktop fan blowing over the surface.

The next day the solvent had all evaporated leaving me with a yellowish waxy substance that was definitely DMT – I smelled it and my heart jumped :greenboun
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I decided to try recrystallization using the Glass Shard Re-Crystallization Pictorial. I poured about 50ml of heptane (Bestine) into a 250ml flask, and then placed the flask in a medium-sized pan filled with water. I placed a clean t-shirt on the bottom to keep the flask off the bottom of the pan and covered the pan and flask with plastic wrap to minimize evaporation of water and heptane. I slowly heated the water until it was boiling.

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I slowly added the heptane to the baking dish using a glass pipette. The spice was really stuck to the bottom so I wound up pouring in about 50ml straight from the flask and using the pipette to stir the heptane and dissolve the yellow goo.

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After I’d dissolved as much as I could I poured the heptane into a small glass candy dish, put the lid on the dish, wrapped the dish in plastic wrap and then duct taped it securely to keep out water. I then seated the dish in the pan of water on top of the t-shirt. I slowly heated the water up again, then turned off the burner, put the lid on the pan, and wrapped the pan with three layers of blankets for insulation.

The next morning the pan was still hot to the touch. By noon (12+ hours later!) it was still warm. In the early evening after work I took the jar out of the pan and placed it into the refrigerator for a few hours, then the freezer. Here’s what I found after a couple of hours

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I warmed up the bottom of the jar with my hands and the DMT crystals started redissolving after swirling the heptane around a bit. I’m not in any hurry and I’d like to see if I can grow some big crystals so I put the jar back in the fridge J

Here’s what I found the next morning. I shot the crystals in a beam of early am light giving it the yellow/orange cast.

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Taken in normal ambient light
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I put the jar back in the freezer and this is how it looks tonight. A lot of the crystals are buried in the heptaine but I’m not going to pour it out just yet, just slowly evaporate.

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This is pretty fun :dance:
peace
Phaedris

Nice job bro, looks like a nice yield from 150g.

I can understand why you weren't satisfied with the BLAB. I read through it and it makes no sense at all.

Why would you let the root bark soak in vinegar for three days if you're not going to defat the solution or even remove the bark befor raising the pH? It completely defeats the purpose of an A/B and is a waste of vinegar and a waste of three days.

StheNC, you might want to reread the log. The MHRB was soaked in NaOH, not vinegar, and for one day, not three. Also, the original xtract was the Lazyman's tek, not the BLAB. I don't think you even read it:

He added 60g NaOH to 600ml distilled H2O in a glass measuring cup, stirring the mixture with a glass rod
to dissolve the NaOH. While the lye water was still hot SWIM added the MHRB to a 2-quart glass jar, then
poured the lye water on top. He put the top on the jar and swirled the MHRB/lye water to mix. SWIM reports that
this was actually much more effective than stirring with the glass rod, as the solution became so thick it stuck to the rod.

He quickly added the 225ml naphtha, put the lid back on the jar and then covered the top with a piece of plastic
wrap secured with a rubber band, and swirled around again until everything was well mixed.

In retrospect it seems obvious that I didn't let the MHRB soak long enough. I thought because it was finely ground I could cut the soak down to one day. The fact that the naphtha kept disappearing should have clued me in, but hey, experience is the best teacher, right?

Last night I used the broken end of a glass stir rod to stir up the yellow gunk sticking to the bottom of the jar. I was hoping to dissolve the gunk into the heptane but all I seemed to do is move it around until it was floating in the solution. However after freeze precip again a lot of the spice seems to have coagulated into one major area, which is cool :loveeyes:

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peace
Phaedris

Whatever happened with this? I'd love to see your results!